tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post1429230714665968217..comments2023-10-27T03:41:13.171-07:00Comments on Warning Signs: There's Nothing Gay about Being GayAlan Carubahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-3140716532862854912010-08-09T22:49:35.125-07:002010-08-09T22:49:35.125-07:00Desertrat - you summed up my feelings exactly. It...Desertrat - you summed up my feelings exactly. It's the "in your face" attitude that's so prevalent in the gay community that I have a problem with.<br /><br />If all they were pushing for was equal treatment under the law, I wouldn't object. I feel a civil union arrangement, which should include not only the rights, but all the RESPONSIBILITIES that go along with any legal union between two human beings, is fair and I think most people would agree.<br /><br />However, when the gay community is openly pushing for acceptance of their lifestyle as "normal", and want to teach it as "normal" in our schools, and call civil unions between same-sex couples a "normal" Marriage, I have a problem with that. Teaching our children to be understanding is fine. Teaching them not to discriminate is fine. But teaching them that it's "cool" or "normal" to be gay, well that's another story. <br /><br />Homosexuality is only "normal" in the sense that it occurs in a certain percentage of every society. It may be an inconvenient fact, but it's a fact nonetheless. If homosexuality ever became the norm in a society, the society would simply die out.... <br /><br />Like it or not, the sky is blue. Someone else can call it green if they want to, but I don't have to, nor should anyone else, in the interest of maintaining some semblance of reality, accept that the sky is anything but blue.<br /><br />Civil unions have been proposed, and yet rejected by the gay community, which indicates that this battle is all about the self-esteem of homosexuals, not about their rights. I see no reason why the entire society should be forced to live in some sort of alternate reality just to protect the self-esteem of those who cannot face their sexuality and accept themselves for who they are.Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10903448394061019454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-9908269539507022922010-08-09T17:17:34.039-07:002010-08-09T17:17:34.039-07:00Larry-
I had no bias against homosexuals until the...Larry-<br />I had no bias against homosexuals until their activist groups turned their full fury onto the Boy Scouts, even tho they were free to start their own "Gay Scouts" if they so desired.<br /><br />But then, that would deviate from the script of shoving "forced tolerance" down our throats.Phaedra2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/13704135474222282757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-8125863161475932722010-08-09T13:36:29.778-07:002010-08-09T13:36:29.778-07:00I've never felt that sex was a spectator sport...I've never felt that sex was a spectator sport, regardless of the ideas of the players. I'm at least mildly offended by displays of sexuality among heterosexuals, beyond that of friendly affection. Sort of a privacy thing, I guess.<br /><br />The actual needs of "gay" couples could easily be met by some sort of laws concerning civil union as to money, inheritance, retirement income, etc. IMO, no big deal.<br /><br />So my main objection is to the abuse of the word "marriage". Whether or not it's religious is immaterial and irrelevant. It denotes a union between a man and a woman with the primary purpose of creating a home and family.<br /><br />I and my wife are in a second "marriage"--but pragmatically it's a civil union. At our ages, we're not even thinking about adopting children, and any other method of creating a family is not an option.<br /><br />By and large, it's the behavior of and noise level from the activists of the gay community which are making me hostile to their ideas about much of anything. I'm fed up with perceived victimhood.<br /><br />'RatDesertrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09860257698839313423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-32868408672621610202010-08-09T10:34:40.825-07:002010-08-09T10:34:40.825-07:00If you do not know a lot of happy gay people, perh...If you do not know a lot of happy gay people, perhaps this is because you do not know many young gay people. In my generation (I am in my early thirties), gays and lesbians are not social outcasts. People who strongly disapprove of homosexuality are social outcasts. Socially, gay couples are treated just the same as straight couples. Most people of my generation think it's a terrible injustice that the law treats gay couples and straight couples differently.<br /><br />You recognize in your essay that homosexuality is not something that people choose; it is hard-wired. You deserve credit for recognizing that. Since marriage to someone of the opposite sex is not a realistic option for gay men and lesbians, why shouldn't we marry someone of the same sex, rather than being legally single?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12383397374021754600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-88776096652519373512010-08-09T09:12:13.589-07:002010-08-09T09:12:13.589-07:00Alan,
This is an exercize in faith as well as log...Alan,<br /><br />This is an exercize in faith as well as logic. <br /><br />I think that it is impossible to extricate the religious component from this issue. All in all, the only reason to be against homosexuality is because God said so. All the other issues brought up merely support that position. <br /><br />As for being "hardwired", I think that is over stating it. I do believe that there is a genetic component to this, however, I think the genetic component isn't that someone has a homosexual gene any more than someone has a “pedophile” gene or a gene for “bestiality”. I think it is merely a genetic predisposition to unusual sexual appetites. <br /><br />People have genetic propensities for violence, bad tempers, and even bad manners, but they have an intellect and that allows them to make judgments that say, “today…I will not be violent!”; or “today I will not lose my temper!”; or “today I will not treat my fellow man badly!” These people also have the capacity to choose to not indulge in unusual sexual practices. <br /><br />They may find it difficult, but they are not “hardwired”, because if that is so then we must logically conclude that God made them that way. The reason that I believe they have the capacity to decide is because otherwise there is no justice in God’s judgments, pronouncements, or admonitions against it. <br /><br />If that is not so….then we are left with the next logical step….we must question if there is a God.Rich Kozlovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745960671409518147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-72222921534798969992010-08-08T12:28:45.491-07:002010-08-08T12:28:45.491-07:00Otherwise, Alan, I agree with you rather commpletl...Otherwise, Alan, I agree with you rather commpletly, as I so often do.LarryOldtimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811006386363706079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-35524088222532001702010-08-08T12:22:02.925-07:002010-08-08T12:22:02.925-07:00They were, Alan, in many ways in the not so distan...They were, Alan, in many ways in the not so distant past, as were Jewish people, for that matter. I have a really good memory. I have had close Jewish friends in the past, (which were not a "good thing" to have at all, where and in the times I was younger), so I have seen it first hand.<br /><br />Consider Alan Touring as an excellent example. He did manage to make great contributations, but nontheless, he committed suicide at an early age, and certainly could have contributed far more, had it not been for the denial of approbation by society, only because of his homosexuality.<br /><br />I loath it that words such as "gay" have been "hijacked" by thr practicers of that which society in general does not acccept (and I do not mean "tolerate" by any means).<br /><br />"Gay" was a rather wonderful thing to be, when I was a lad. Not at all so now, in my opinion.LarryOldtimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811006386363706079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-46670881451484785302010-08-08T12:16:27.245-07:002010-08-08T12:16:27.245-07:00Hate the sin, love the sinner.
And I will stick w...Hate the sin, love the sinner.<br /><br />And I will stick with the biological explanation. <br /><br />The issue of gay marriage is, to my mind, socialogical, not spiritual, even though major faiths condemn it. That said, I am sure many gays find solace in the house of prayer of their choice.Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-11798774417034798132010-08-08T11:37:06.694-07:002010-08-08T11:37:06.694-07:00Alan, you say you think homosexuals are hard-wired...Alan, you say you think homosexuals are hard-wired at birth. Would a just God create them with overpowering, unnatural desires, so that they would be trapped and not responsible for sin? Not according to James in the New Testament:<br /> "Chapter 1<br /> 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: <br /> 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. <br /> 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."<br /><br />Also, marriage is regarded as essential for the preservation of the family unit which is the basic unit of society.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151120597915869387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-68696220865086029582010-08-08T11:33:14.676-07:002010-08-08T11:33:14.676-07:00@Larry: Homosexuals are not denied the right to co...@Larry: Homosexuals are not denied the right to contribute their talents and skills to society. What is being denied here is the right to undo a function of society to maintain the family, based on a man and a woman being able to have children, at its center. <br /><br />Prop 8 is no different from the law against polygamy.Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-1398379162907067772010-08-08T09:33:39.973-07:002010-08-08T09:33:39.973-07:00..Like yourself Mr. Alan, I have as yet to see how.....Like yourself Mr. Alan, I have as yet to see how they can refer to their selves as gay?? Like many things they just want to sugar coat it, to suit their needs.<br /> I am still puzzled as to how a sexual preference can be associated with race and religion. I am of the Faith that this is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind when drawing up The Constitution.Ol Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08104714377087960892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-84112320439210274102010-08-08T09:12:22.875-07:002010-08-08T09:12:22.875-07:00I wouldn't mind all that much discussing relig...I wouldn't mind all that much discussing religion, on an intellectual plane, but I have found that almost every person of a religious persuasion takes any comment regarding any religion personally, and those (supposedly) not of a religious persuasion either don't care except to complain about religions, or have managed to turn their own thoughts into their own personal belief systems, essentially religions of their own, and are as sensitive to comments which might encroach on their own self-made belief systems as the most fervent religious believers are.<br /><br />With that having been stated, the bias against homosexuality comes almost entirely from, as I have best been able to determine, the religious beliefs of the ancient Hebrews. Since both the Christian religion and Islam have, at their base, the religion of the Hebrews, bias against homosexuals became widespread as those religions became widespread. <br /><br />While homosexuality is without question a serious genetic failure, regarding survival of a species, at least a fair sized number of homosexuals, male and female, have had among the brightest minds in human history.<br /><br />It is indeed a pity that it came about the way it has, in my opinion, and has held humankind seriously back in the rational development of human technological knowledge, and in peaceful relationships among all people in our own society and others.<br /><br />We in western culture, that is, non-Islamic culture, ignore the genuine and serious threats to our well being which the religion of Islam presents at our peril.LarryOldtimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811006386363706079noreply@blogger.com