tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post3168775291375865571..comments2023-10-27T03:41:13.171-07:00Comments on Warning Signs: When Candidates are Dangerously WrongAlan Carubahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-79380878468653574822008-05-14T15:18:00.000-07:002008-05-14T15:18:00.000-07:00Good response Andy - I respect and appreciate your...Good response Andy - I respect and appreciate your background. In answer to Alan's question about what caused climate change before humans the answer is the same - GHG's. <BR/><BR/>Note that GW and GHG's are self reinforcing feedback mechanisms. There are a couple of differences this time round - GW is happening a lot faster than it has previously. The other obvious difference is that humans are pumping the GHG's (mainly CO2, but methane and other gases too) into the atmosphere.<BR/><BR/>I can acknowledge that there can be no <I>proof</I> that humans are causing GW, though GW is definitely happening (Alan - not sure what facts you are smoking, but you should stop!). This year in March Arctic sea ice was already less extensive than last year; and last year's summer coverage was the least evrr recorded.<BR/><BR/>More worryingly The Greenland ice sheet is melting at an accelerating rate Google Nasa and Grace if you want to research it yourself. It by itself is worth a 7m sea level rise.Saildoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14642015470932289170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-12809795403931908512008-05-14T13:44:00.000-07:002008-05-14T13:44:00.000-07:00Alan: Frustrating isn't it. The Holy Mantra of the...Alan: Frustrating isn't it. The Holy Mantra of the ALGORIAN Cultist trumps good science and common sense. <BR/>Saildog: We have "spoken" before, welcome back and it is good to know that you are educated. Since you mentioned it I'll mention my background so that you can evaluate what I am about to put forth.<BR/>Beginning in the 1950s I studied Chem eng'g at Purdue Univ. I graduated with a BSIE cum laude from the Univ of Missouri, Columbia, and have an MSE from Arizona State Univ.<BR/>Most of my working career was for High-Tech companies such as Motorola (SemiConductors), Honeywell(Computers), ITT(Computers) in engineering, management, consultant, and executive positions.<BR/>Shortly before I retired I was President and Chairman of the Board of the Greater Scottsdale Traffic Management Assoc. This was a federal mandated association of large employers required to examine and implement ways to reduce single-occupied-vehicle traffic. The obvious aim was to reduce transportation related air pollution(smog).<BR/>Working with the above mentioned companies I was involved with air, ground, and water pollution prevention and treatment as well as HAZMAT.<BR/>With this background I find it very saddening that good, well educated, well meaning people are taken in by this monumental Scam. If nothing else alarms should sound given the way AGW has been propogated and perpetuated in the face of substantial scientific evidence against the idea that Climate Change is a function of the activities of man.<BR/>I find it damning that the Gore movie was mandatory viewing in many of our elementary schools, this without parental notification or consent. Also that the targeted audience were the lower grades without any background to reasonably evaluate what they were being told. At least in England a Senior Jurist made the schools issue a discliamer as to the validity of several key claims in the movie.<BR/>The Idea that CO2 is a pollutant and is instrumental in Global Warming boggles the mind. An understanding of basic chemistry leads to substantial doubt that a component of a gaseous mix making up 0.038% of the total would have any kind of dramatic effect on the gas behavior. <BR/>Take a good look at the atmospheric CO2 data that has been accumulated at Mauna Loa HI. look also at CO2-atmospheric temp charts and then look at solar activity-atmospheric temp charts. They overlay each other almost perfectly. The nearby planets are experiencing modest tempurature rises due to increased solar activity. I wasn't aware that anybody there drove SUVs or used coal to make electricity. <BR/>The Mauna Loa data also indicates that the increase in atmospheric CO@2 has been very consistant at around 1.5ppm per year over the past 30 years. That is it has increased from approximatly 330ppm to 380ppm in that time frame.<BR/>It is postulated that a concentration of 5000ppm(0.5%) is unhealthy to humans. What that level might do to plant life I have no clue. But let us assume that because China and India won't join us in our western AGW efforts the levels increase at double the present rate, or 3.0ppm/yr.<BR/>Simple math indicates that to reach 5000ppm would take 1540 years (AD 3547) to reach unhealthy levels. Am I worried, most definately not, this is why we have scientists and engineers. Long before serious effects would be manifest technology would raise its head and solve the problem. This assumes the politicians will let them.<BR/>Lastly, there is to my knowledge no comprhensive scientfic model that predicts in any way the effects of trace components in our atmospheric envelope. And the available emperical information does not support any definable effect.<BR/>Does it make any sense at all to go off changing the world based on nothing but the words of a modern day P.T.Barnum?Lee Hazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10927859573378763829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-89545002006784214682008-05-14T12:32:00.000-07:002008-05-14T12:32:00.000-07:00ABC World News had a report on the amount of fuel ...ABC World News had a report on the amount of fuel it takes to get a hamburger to your plate. They reported that if every American didn't eat meat for one night, it would save 5 refineries a year. <BR/><BR/>I'm not quite sure what their goal of the story was. But I did come to think of a couple things.<BR/><BR/>1. Is the meat industry going to be happy with that report? <B>doubtful.</B><BR/>2. Are these reporters trying to get meat to be used as fuel in the future? <B>maybe, they are full of the same methane the cows are making.</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>So in essence, the report was asking us to stop eating so we can drive our cars more, on cheaper gas. Right? So the donkey is eating his own tail now. I thought it was the fuel debaucle being the problem of the world food crisis. Not that the food is the problem with our oil prices. <BR/><BR/>Anyways, I'm fortunate enough to live biking distance to work. And I eat steak for dinner too.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05339900368319152625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-49028059201794519992008-05-14T08:11:00.000-07:002008-05-14T08:11:00.000-07:00The scientists can't even take the temperature pro...The scientists can't even take the temperature properly. They couldn't figure out the methodological errors in the hockey stick. I'll pass on believing them until they can set up a thermometer properly.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01575178552426939685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-31336320873468329702008-05-14T08:09:00.000-07:002008-05-14T08:09:00.000-07:00We must believe because scientists say so. The sa...We must believe because scientists say so. The same scientists who have proven incapable of meeting basic competence guidelines for taking the temperature.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01575178552426939685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-21303856936060894702008-05-14T07:55:00.000-07:002008-05-14T07:55:00.000-07:00I believe that Fred Flintstone drove a Lexus. And...I believe that Fred Flintstone drove a Lexus. And can you imagine the gaseous output of Terradactyl Airlines!<BR/><BR/>Currently in my locale, the cost of being an idiot is $3.74 for regular and $4.24 for diesel.<BR/><BR/>Just wait till the independent truckers can't afford to fill their tanks. Can you say food shortage?<BR/><BR/>Ethanol, aka moonshine, produces alot of CO2 during the fermentation stage and the mash itself has to be heated to get the sugars out before you can ferment it to alcohol. The finished product is dirty in its' production.<BR/><BR/>BTW - Some of the ethanol facilities here in Iowa are reducing their output due to expensive corn.Chiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14115876704166529470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-66440810030023410262008-05-14T06:06:00.000-07:002008-05-14T06:06:00.000-07:00Saildog:What caused changes in the climate BEFORE ...Saildog:<BR/>What caused changes in the climate BEFORE the advent of the human species?<BR/><BR/>And, no, you are WRONG...again. There is ample evidence that the Earth is into a cooling cycle. <BR/><BR/>Just DENYING facts doesn't make them go away.Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-49463537403489750242008-05-14T02:45:00.000-07:002008-05-14T02:45:00.000-07:00Alan - I have no idea why you are so dead set agai...Alan - I have no idea why you are so dead set against AGW. I have studied it at a Masters level and I have have read reams and reams of science on the subject. This science is original science, peer reviewed research papers and the like. I have also researched the most extensive database in the world: The climatalogical database that exists over tens or even hundreds of servers covering a very diverse range of topics.<BR/><BR/>I can assure you that the evidence supporting AGW is real and the earth is definitely NOT cooling.<BR/><BR/>If anybody doubts that Peak Oil is also not real they need their heads examined. The price of oil alone should be a serious wake up call. And it is NOT speculators etc. At most 2 to 3 days oil is accounted for in all futures contracts. Not only that, unless these people actually want to take physical delivery on their contracts and horde the stuff (now that would be speculating!) they have to unwind these contracts. Speculators as a group are selling as much as they are buying.<BR/><BR/>The oil price is driven mainly by the fundamentals of supply & demand.Saildoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14642015470932289170noreply@blogger.com