tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post816902693388836554..comments2023-10-27T03:41:13.171-07:00Comments on Warning Signs: Slippery Green WordsAlan Carubahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-76202728861206939092009-05-14T14:13:00.000-07:002009-05-14T14:13:00.000-07:00For those who want to enjoy Rich's writings first ...For those who want to enjoy Rich's writings first hand, you can click on this blog's link to "Paradigns and Demographics", his excellent website.Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-81907570300596523372009-05-14T14:02:00.000-07:002009-05-14T14:02:00.000-07:00Ayrdale,
This is going to be somewhat long, so I ...Ayrdale,<br /><br />This is going to be somewhat long, so I ask your indulgence. <br /><br />You are quite right that we have to see them as they are now, which is irrational and misanthropic, and I thought I made that point, including the point about good intentions. <br /><br />Socialism has never had good intentions, it was about getting and holding onto power, which is what environmentalism are about today….at the upper levels. At the lower levels….they are true believers and when we can’t acknowledge their accomplishments they will throw them up to us. <br /><br />It is important to differentiate the time periods and people involved, because that gives our arguments credibility. It shows that we are knowledgeable. It shows depth of understanding. It demonstrates our reasonableness. It makes those who don’t know the real story more amenable to our arguments. The activists are the ones who are always rude, crude and stupid….we must not give that impression. They dig their own graves by their hatred of all that we are. <br /><br />Here is a quote that will be appearing in my weekly newsletter that demonstrates why the greenies can be defeated with rational arguments and gentlemanly behavior.<br /><br />"Why is it now everyone’s on board for planet saving, nobody wants to vote for the green saviors? Nobody likes politicians, but apparently we like green politicians even less. We don’t like eco-spokesmen; we don’t want to vote for them, listen to them, have dinner with them, sleep with them or use them as domestic servants. With so many pressing environmental problems, how come there is no popular environmental evangelist?<br /><br />The truth is, environmentalists are just not attractive. They’re not winning, engaging, amusing or empathetic. They are ranty, repetitive, patronizing, demanding, deaf, weirdly bonkers and smelly. But that’s not their real impediment. The real killer thing is the “schadenfreude”: the naked, transparent, hand-rubbing glee with which they pass on every shame, sadness and terror. No disaster is too appalling or imminent that the green movement can’t caper and keen with a messianic glee. <br /><br />They sift through the minute details of demise, like a jolly self-congratulatory Scrooge. This is a real problem. Or, rather, it’s a serious blockage on the road to solving the real problem. Eco-advocates are viscerally unconscionable people. The enormous, vicarious pleasure they get from frightening folk makes them repellent, and then, they get all hurt when we don’t thank them for it. <br />Nobody wants to trust a future to a bunch of malcontents who plainly have so much of their self-worth and cachet invested in it all going to hell in a recycled handcart. This isn’t merely a question of presentation, or marketing, or tone, or spin, this is a serious cultural blindness and childish arrogance."<br /><br />Best wishes,<br />RichRich Kozlovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745960671409518147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-50717534900468078362009-05-14T00:59:00.000-07:002009-05-14T00:59:00.000-07:00Rich, that's a valid point. But we have to look at...Rich, that's a valid point. But we have to look at the green movement as it exists right now, not let some 40 year old halo cloud our vision.<br /><br />We must be quite clear, the greens are now an extreme left wing political movement, who subvert the quite natural wish to avoid waste and clean up after us into something quite anti-human.<br /><br />Socialism too, may have good intentions, but as they say, the road to hell...Ayrdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12277759681727009183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-88487164301654818332009-05-13T21:06:00.000-07:002009-05-13T21:06:00.000-07:00Right ON!Right ON!Lucy Sternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551301072676727397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-81974454052073859562009-05-13T20:40:00.000-07:002009-05-13T20:40:00.000-07:00Rich:
Well thought-out comment. Environmental aw...Rich:<br /><br />Well thought-out comment. Environmental awareness has brought us clean air and water. Unfortunately the movement has gone to the other extreme to the point where "Gaia worshippers" would like to see the human population reduced by 4/5ths.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02580749410166276916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-57138705767387060292009-05-13T20:39:00.000-07:002009-05-13T20:39:00.000-07:00Rich:
Well thought-out comment. Environmental aw...Rich:<br /><br />Well thought-out comment. Environmental awareness has brought us clean air and water. Unfortunately the movement has gone to the other extreme to the point where "Gaia worshippers" would like to see the human population reduced by 4/5ths.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02580749410166276916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-37354553202563167002009-05-13T18:24:00.000-07:002009-05-13T18:24:00.000-07:00While Alan knows that no one holds the greenies in...While Alan knows that no one holds the greenies in any more contempt than I do, we must remember that the green movement was not always what they are now. I think that some of the comments made here requires some thoughtful reflection. <br /><br />John Muir and many of the original greenies were just as misanthropic as the current crop. However, during the 50’s 60’s and 70’s there was a large contingent of honest environmentalists, such as Paul Driessen, Patrick Moore (original co-founder of Greenpeace), J.G. Edwards (who spoke out strongly against Rachel Carson) and many others, who did good work and modern ones such as Bjorn Lomborg. <br /><br />The environmental movement really was instrumental in getting the air, rivers and lakes cleaned up in this country and to be honest brokers of opinion, we must acknowledge that. I can remember the sulphur creeks of Pennsylvania and the millions of dead fish on the shores of Lake Erie, so they actually have impacted our lives positively. <br /><br />Those early successes gave the movement power, prestige and most of all……money…. And that drove the most radical contingent of the green movement into leadership positions. As a result the above mentioned people abandoned the environmental movement and spoke out publically against their irrational and misanthropic message. The movement was no longer about protecting the environment as a benefit to mankind, it turned into a movement that placed the environment over mankind and was prepared to expunge mankind from the environment. <br /><br />The rest of us must keep in mind the whole story. Everything the environmental movement did wasn’t irrational and misanthropic and we must be able to distinguish the differences in order to strengthen our arguments and respond to the challenges to our views. <br /><br />While I agree that it is true that the environmental movement is responsible to more deaths than the mass murderers of the 20th century, we must recognize their entire history. If we refuse to acknowledge their accomplishments, we place our arguments in peril because we become irrational also. The history of events is what they are and we must be true to them if our views are to be taken seriously about anthropogenic climate change or whatever next scare they promote.Rich Kozlovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745960671409518147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-67250142167511606872009-05-12T22:32:00.000-07:002009-05-12T22:32:00.000-07:00http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2...http://thenma.org/blogs//index.php/libertyforusa/2009/05/12/the-ongoing-and-unauthorized-american-ya<br /><br />Science "made to order" allows one to sell "solutions made to order" to the gullible.<br /><br />- Cap and Trade Taxes-aka "investing in our planet before western man destroys us"!libertyforusahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08584974436761909593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-65428750593346075272009-05-12T18:36:00.000-07:002009-05-12T18:36:00.000-07:00Bravo, bravo...I have excerpted and will link to y...Bravo, bravo...I have excerpted and will link to your posting. <br /><br />The greens that aren't despicable liars seem to be gullible fools.<br /><br />This gamble they have undertaken to convince the world that our energy consumption is killing the planet is a very desperate move from them, and looks like a losing hand.<br /><br />The scientists who continue to make excuses for the planet's reluctance to behave as the climate modellers suggest are compromising themselves and us. Truth will win.Ayrdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12277759681727009183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-85267854634268612472009-05-12T17:40:00.000-07:002009-05-12T17:40:00.000-07:00A little truth?
Those people will railroad anyt...A little truth? <br /><br />Those people will railroad anything that doesn't stand up to them. <br /><br />As you can see, I've had enough of that. <br /><br />These people call mudpuddles "wetlands" and now they want to grab the whole atmosphere. <br /><br />I've had it. I'm sixty years old and I'm not taking any more of it lying down. <br /><br />I learned in Iraq that people don't run from bullies. CANNOT run from them.Brian G Valentinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523059818774910427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-83274654130727903432009-05-12T17:32:00.000-07:002009-05-12T17:32:00.000-07:00I was making a joke.
You were, as always, VERY i...I was making a joke. <br /><br />You were, as always, VERY intense.<br /><br />I think life is too short for that much anger. I don't care much for environmentalists either, especially those who lie a lot, but I believe one can combat them with a lot of truth-telling.Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-71928176696544449462009-05-12T17:09:00.000-07:002009-05-12T17:09:00.000-07:00About environmentalists?
Ok.
"Environmentalis...About environmentalists? <br /><br />Ok. <br /><br />"Environmentalists" have improved the quality of my life every bit as much as dog sh- on my shoe has. <br /><br />Now - don't go complaining, you asked me directly for thisBrian G Valentinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523059818774910427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-41996121012919850812009-05-12T17:02:00.000-07:002009-05-12T17:02:00.000-07:00Come on, Brian, stop holding back. Tell us how you...Come on, Brian, stop holding back. Tell us how you really feel! :-)Alan Carubahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901162110385985193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196554259323465442.post-68311358327174012842009-05-12T16:59:00.000-07:002009-05-12T16:59:00.000-07:00If they want to call "global warming" what it real...If they want to call "global warming" what it really is - what's the matter with "Communist Lie"? <br /><br />I got shot down a long time ago when I told DOE outright that "ozone hole from freon is a fraud" - somebody called me a "crank" <br /><br />Now I'm just a "denier" <br /><br />The best one I've heard so far is, "the ozone hole has prevented Antarctica from melting - but this happy accident won't keep on forever" <br /><br />If that's true we ought to be dumping freon into the atmosphere by the tank car load, shouldn't we? <br /><br />These nitwits make me vomit all over the floor. Let's see - Stalin was responsible for about a million deaths. <br /><br />Rachael Carson was responsible for <br /><br />- how many? <br /><br />Nice legacy. We celebrate Earth Day in her honor.Brian G Valentinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523059818774910427noreply@blogger.com